During the period of Feb 7. – March 7. we received 117 replies. At the same time the ogre 1.10 Windows SDK alone was downloaded 5161 times. So while the results are significant, they are probably not representative.
The average Ogre application is a Game displaying Overlays and Particles. It was written as a Hobby in C++ and targets Windows 10 using OpenGL.
As you see statistics are lies, so better take a look at the actual numbers yourself.
To spare you reading all the free-form answers though, here is a summary
Most severe drawbacks of Ogre 1.10
- lack of documentation (8x)
- Difficult to build/ setup (6x)
- code quality/ readability (5x)
- outdated documentation (4x)
- Performance (4x)
- Compositor Component (2x)
- no/ bad scene editor (2x)
- diverging 1.x and 2.x branches (2x)
- lack of art/ asset pipeline (2x)
- Abandoned Plugins (2x)
- “next-gen” graphics (1x)
Most important future change for Ogre 1.11
- modern rendering techniques (8x)
- Keeping code stable (7x)
- Archive out of date documentation (2x)
- more support for existing Addons/ Plugins (2x)
- simplify SCM (2x)
- C++11 Support (2x)
- VR & Stereo Rendering (1x)
As you can see some of the requests are contradicting and some are only vague, like “next-gen graphics”.
To others I wrote a short reply here.
To streamline the development process & discussion of Ogre 1.x, we now have the Ogre evolution proposals.
Basically it consists of a structured textual specification similar to the Python PEPs. Click on the link above to learn more.
Those of you who have been around Ogre for some time might remember that back in 2011, we conducted a survey about our user base. The results of which can be found here.
As we have started the 1.11 development cycle we would like to assess to correctly emphasize the development and ideally drop some barely used features that will free resources for more important things.
So for the next four weeks until the 7th of March, you have the chance to participate and help us to get an impression about our user base, how Ogre is used and share some wishes for the future. Simply follow the link and make your way through the 11 questions. It should not take up much time since most of the questions are simple checkbox or radio button questions.
We want to thank you all upfront for helping us to develop Ogre further and getting some valuable insight information about the people using the engine!
PS: We would be glad if you could spread the word about the survey via all available channels to all potential Ogre users, because: The more participants, the more accurate are the results of course.
Wow! It’s been a long time since the last report.
A lot has happened since last time, so I thought and was pressed to inform of what’s new. I (dark_sylinc) have been bugged by two people on Twitter to write this update, so you can thank them for this report!
But first of all, Merry Christmass and Happy New Year!!!
If you don’t celebrate any or all of the two, then have a great day anyway!
The 1.10.11 release marks the final (planned) release for the 1.10 series and kicks off the 1.11 cycle that will allow us to break the API. As announced in the mid-term report we will use this to move to C++11 and drop some of the deprecated functionality.
But the 1.10.11 release has also some highlights on its own, namely
Today we want to highlight one of the many games based on Ogre3D that have come out recently. This time: iUBES:2
We asked the team behind the game if they could share some insights into the Ogre3D usage and how the game was built in general, and codrer was kind enough to provide those:
- iUBES was developed using Visual Studio Express + Ogre 1.9 ; I didn’t upgraded simply because everything was running perfectly fine, without any need for additional power. Even if I’m looking forward to try out Ogre 2.x in the near future.
- From my point of view, one of the main advantage of using Ogre engine is that it doesn’t carry any overweight. For this indie / somehow minimalistic design, it’d be a shame to ask for consequent configuration: Ogre helps iUBES running on almost any low-end laptop (DX9/ XP/ integrated graphics…).
- At this time I only released a Windows/DX9 version of the game. However, beta testers proved the game to be running perfectly through Play On Linux / Play On Mac steam emulation. I was quite surprised actually.
- No change have been made to Ogre, the game simply dynamically links to ogre’s dll right from the SDK. I only had to use my own functions for a couple of optimizations like math (hundreds of units bouncing on a spherical ground consume a lot of trigonometry), strings functions, … those kind of small things.
- I didn’t use further libraries than Ogre itself. I even decided at some point to discard OIS (I feel more confortable using windows API directly). Everything else (GUI, winsock, directsound…) has been written from scratch for maximum flexibility.
- Again that’s one of the things I DO love with Ogre: this is a pure rendering engine which doesn’t mix unrelated things like most game engines do. We can create our very own setup.
- Except from trees and the iubes themselves which are very low-poly assets created using 3DS, the world is entirely procedural. Ogre’s ManualObject class was a huge friend.
- As each building is build up bloc per bloc (hundreds), Ogre’s convertToMesh() method could have been a bottleneck. Hence each construction is split between a couple of meshes, then piled up and revamped from time to time during runtime.
- Apart from water which use a classic 2.0 fragment shader, all the other textures are using the fixed pipeline. Terrain and Constructions use VertexColourTracking plus modulative detail textures. Since meshes are built procedurally, vertex colours have major benefits here (using basic math to finely darken inner faces of a building to improve lighting, and so on).
- Fun fact: while I use PSSM hand written shadows on other projets, for this game I switched back to… built-in Ogre shadows (i.e. SHADOWTYPE_TEXTURE_MODULATIVE). Apart from some very little glitches, it fits quite perfectly my spherical world!
- At this point I may confess that I’m a huge fan of the K.I.S.S. principle…
- At the end of the day, this game only uses a fragment of Ogre’s capabilities, but benefits utterly from its versatility. “Hey let’s make a procedural RTS online game in a spherical world” – for such a custom idea, Ogre was the obvious way to go.
If you too want a spot on the news for your Ogre powered application, then you can e-mail us at .
Recently there were several updates around the Ogre infrastructure and ecosystem. This post will outline the highlights for you.
Ogre 1.10.9 released
While this is actually core, there were several updates that also improve the Ogre ecosystem. Maybe the most prominent one is that ApplicationContext will now fall back to the installed plugins.cfg and resources.cfg if it does not find any it the working directory (or any previously searched locations).
While this sounds trivial it means that your
ApplicationContext based application will just run ™ – no need to worry about the RTSS resources or where the plugins are located. Ok, to load custom resources, still have to provide a resources.cfg, but in most cases you will not need a plugins.cfg. By default all enabled plugins will get loaded automatically.
Related to this change is the deprecation of
SceneType enum (i.e.
createSceneManger(ST_GENERIC)). Most of the time it only gave you the right SceneManager Plugin by chance. See this thread for details. Instead you are now supposed to call
Next, basic tutorials 1 & 2 were ported (thanks to Bohdan Kornienko) from the wiki to the new Doxygen documentation and to 1.10 (ApplicationContext). The code is no longer copy pasted into the page, but rather referenced from a real project that can be built and tested. Obviously the tutorial porting is an ongoing effort that you are invited to join.
-Wmissing-declarations warnings were enabled and fixed the code. These warnings help us ensuring that internal functions are correctly marked static and that our preprocessor branching is sane.
Of course there were many more changes. For the details – as usually – refer to the github tag.
Many addons ported
If you take a look at the OGRECave group on github, you will find many of the addons, that make up the Ogre ecosystem. The ones inside the group, were ported to 1.10. Due to the internal reorganization in 1.10, this allowed dropping lots (like lots) of code: e.g. FindOGRE.cmake and BaseApplication could be safely dropped.
But particularly, the documentation was regenerated and now even correctly references any external Ogre classes. Take a look:
You might notice that some information is outdated or find some typos. Take the chance and and create a pull-request on github. Most of this is just some markdown inside the according repository.
Ogre visualisation module in OpenCV
There have been Augmented Reality demos using OGRE and OpenCV for a long time. However the new Ogre Visualisation module, short ovis, provides a far better and easier integration. This allows you to write an AR demo in just 35 lines of code.
Regular visitors might have noticed some downtime of the Forums and the Wiki. This was due to the migration of our Webserver to Bytemark that are kindly providing us with free hosting. This was quite a leap forward as the old server was still running Ubuntu 12.04 with PHP software versioned at around that time. To me it is a miracle that the server still was under our control..
Anyway…the new server is now running Ubuntu 16.04 with automatic security updates. Furthermore we moved from phpbb 3.0.8 to phpbb 3.2.1 (~6 years advance) and tiki from 6.4 to tiki 15.5 (~5 years advance). Besides better security, this brings us responsive (mobile) pages and emoji support 🙂
Wiki deprecation and addonforums archival
The migration has shown some problems with our infrastructure though. We had an isolated addonforums phpbb instance where users had to register separately from the main forums. However only a few addons even had post from this year – let alone having responses. Therefore this instance was not migrated. Instead it was converted into a static archive.
Furthermore using a wiki for code is outdated by todays measures. It sits somewhere between Github, WordPress and Doxygen, where each of the alternatives offer a superior experience for the respective use-case. Therefore for contributing text, you should consider the following alternatives:
- for tutorial and sample code use Doxygen, which offers automatic code referencing
- for external projects use github, which offers code versioning and issue tracking
- the rest, which is general information, should probably be on the main page for better discoverability
IRC channel replaced by Gitter
In case you want to chat about Ogre related topics, you can now use our Gitter channel which replaces the #ogre3d IRC channel. The reason we drop IRC is that nobody of the current Ogre Team has admin access to the channel, preventing us to set-up an archival of the chat-logs or even change the headline. Of course we could have mailed back and forth with freenode, and then request botbot.me logging – but then Gitter took just a few clicks to set-up and offers superior code referencing..
Deprecation of node-less positioning
SceneNode::translate) and one big one:
- SceneNodes & Cameras look into (0,0,-1) by default
- whereas Lights look into (0,0,1)
Light::setDirection, which you should call with (0,0,-1) to make Lights behave like the other Nodes.
Compile time switches
OGRE_THREAD_SUPPORT == 3
OGRE_THREAD_SUPPORT==1where resource management is fully threaded, was hopelessly naive. It required too many locks, and also that the rendersystem was multi-threaded.
OGRE_THREAD_SUPPORT==2improved that by not requiring that the rendersystem was threaded, and just doing disk I/O in the background, but still, the whole process is still driven within the Resource class, which means the locks are still in place on Resource and by association SharedPtr and a bunch of other classes too.
OGRE_THREAD_SUPPORT==3option. Setting this, Ogre core objects – most notably Resource – are not thread-safe. However the DefaultWorkQueue is threaded. This allows the Terrain and MeshLOD Components to be multi-threaded without the locking overhead in OgreMain. See #454 for details.
AtomicScalartypes become merely aliases for
std::atomicwhich are both more portable and higher performance alternatives.
std::threadis used as the default threading provider.
O(log(N))lookup, iteration performance is terrible as maps are spread all over the memory and thus trash the CPU caches.
OGRE_NODE_STORAGE_LEGACY=0will use the cache friendly
std::vectorinstead of maps. Naturally lookup by name becomes
O(log(N))and the API changes. However this improves rendering performance by about 20% – bringing Ogre 1.x into 2.0 range when only a few nodes need updates. See #440 for details.
An outlook on Ogre 1.11
OGRE_USE_STD11=ONwill be supported. In other words Ogre will switch to C++11.
OGRE_NODE_STORAGE_LEGACY=OFFwill be supported.
OGRE_THREAD_SUPPORT=3will be the default. Only the
std::threadprovider will be supported.
- OGRE_RESOURCEMANAGER_STRICT=ON will be the default.
- Default Lights direction will be (0,0,-1).
- Lots of the deprecated API will be dropped – better start looking at the deprecation warnings now.
- Custom memory allocators will no longer be supported. You will be able to define C++11 template aliases to set them for STL containers though.
At this year’s Web3D conference in Brisbane a new Ogre based X3D viewer, called x3ogre, was presented.
X3D is an ISO specified file format for 3D file transmission and interchange which is now natively available to Ogre.
The Web3D is a scientific conference concerning technologies like WebGL, X3D and glTF.
The presented viewer is called x3ogre and provides a layer for loading and manipulating X3D files inside Ogre.
Vice versa the Ogre Material and Mesh formats also become accessible inside X3D files.
To put the viewer on the Web the x3ogre leverages Emscripten and the GLES2 RenderSystem to get translated to WebGL2 and WebAssembly.
The MIT licensed implementation is available on github.
We finally tagged the Ogre 1.10 branch as stable (tag: v1-10-4), making it the new current and recommended version. We would advise you to update wherever possible, to benefit from all the fixes and improvements that made their way into the new release.
This release represents more than 3 years of work from various contributors when compared to the previous 1.9 release. Notably, it includes the following three GSoC 2013 projects:
The ResourceManager redesign GSoC was superceded by the strict mode CMake switch.
Enabling the strict mode is highly recommended, however the default is legacy mode to ensure compatibility with existing projects.
Additionally it includes the changes from the git fork that got merged back into default. The fork formally did the 1.10.0 release, thats how we ended up with 1.10.4 here.
Currently we don’t have any published SDKs yet, since we still rely on team and community members to help with the building and packaging process and that takes some time of course. We will update the download page as they become available and also try to update the announcement thread in the forums.
For an detailed overview of the new features see the New And Noteworthy Document. Among the highlights are:
- Python bindings as a component
- vastly improved GL3+/ GLES2 renderers with GL3+ now being the recommended choice on *nix systems
- Bites Component for rapid prototyping of applications
- Emscripten platform target – supporting Web Assembly & WebGL2
- improved build system, automatically fetching all required dependencies.
- A new HLMS Component implementing physically based shading
- Unified Documentation: the API docs, the manual and some Wiki pages have been merged and are now managed with Doxygen. As a consequence, the Wiki is outdated when it comes to OGRE 1.10. If you find something particularly missing, feel free to submit an additional tutorial.
Despite the amount of new features OGRE 1.10 provides the smoothest upgrade experience between OGRE releases so far. See the API/ ABI change overview for OGRE 1.7 – 1.10 that is kindly provided by ABI-laboratory.
Note that some components are marked as
[BETA]. This does not mean that they are likely to crash, but that we can not give any API stability guarantees for them right now. You should expect their API to change without a deprecation period while we we iron the warts out as the Component get more exposure.
In turn for the core components, our deprecation list has grown considerably. You can keep using these APIs for now, as we intend to support them until OGRE 1.11. Speaking of which; to make OGRE releases predictable, we will switch away to a feature based to a time based release model for the 1.x branch. This means that you can expect OGRE 1.11 in April 2018.
We would like to thank everyone who helped us make this release possible. The following list shows a list of contributors for 1.10 based on the git logs:
Pavel Rojtberg, Eugene Golushkov, David Rogers, Jesse Johnson, Murat Sari, Lior Lahav, Peter Szücs, Philip Allgaier, Matías N. Goldberg, Sasu Robert, Assaf Raman, Jannik Heller, lunkhound, Juan Borda, Daniel K. O., Jan Drabner, Transporter, Ahmed Allam, Flavien Bridault, Lf3T-Hn4D, J. Edward Sanchez, Mattan Furst, Shenjoku, arkeon, nxgraphics, 0xc0deface, Alexpux, Caleb Bartholomew, Christian Refvik, Harald Reingruber, Stefania Pedrazzi, Unknown, ja0335, threax, Al Reay, Andrew Piper, BAntDit-PC\BAntDit, Bastian Köcher, David Reepmeyer, Inifinity, Joel Croteau, Tomáš Kováč, tangren, Arroy One, Charles Prévot, Chris Burns, Daniel Brall, Daniel Gouvêa, Jean-François Verdon, Joël Lamotte, Matthew Fletcher, Misha, Oleksiy Ivanov, Simon Willshire, al2950, xantares, Alex Peterson, Alexey Knyshev, Andrew Fenn, Arroy, Bruno Sanches, Carsten, Crashy, Dainius Vaiksnys, David Avedissian, Denis CARLUS, Francesco Guastella, Gauthier POGAM–LE MONTAGNER, Glenn Ramsey, Holger Frydrych, J W, James Chen, Joe Brown, Justin Grant, KoenMertens, KungFooMasta, Mako_energy, Marcin Juszkiewicz, Michaël Broutin, Osamu Takasugi, Richard Plangger, Robert Hildebrandt, Robin Norrman, Ryan Thoryk, SNiLD, Sam Hocevar, Steve Peters, TheOnlyJoey, Ziriax, emilie.harquel, mkultra333, philiplb
BTW: if you want to contribute to OGRE, you can now use github as well.
The new year has just started and already we have good news for the Ogre community: Pavel Rojtberg officially joined the development team. Many of you will already be familiar with him and his work in his Ogre 1.10 fork. Many / most / all of his changes will step-by-step make their way into the official 1.10 branch for which Pavel took over the maintenance. Some of you might already have noticed that based on him having commit/merge privileges now in the repository and him already making use of those since a few days.
Since most of the team resources are currently locked up in Ogre 2.x development, Pavel’s support is most welcome to make sure that the current Ogre 1.x versions don’t get left behind.
So, welcome on board Pavel!